Innbroti tlvukerfi Climatic Research Unit Englandi, og hugsanlegar afleiingar ess...

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S fheyri atburur gerist sustu viku a brotist var inn tlvukerfi hinar heimsekktu loftslagsrannsknastvar Climatic Research Unit (CRU) og grarlegu magni af tlvupstum og fleiri skjlum stoli.

Hugsanlega hefur einhver innanhss stai a essum verknai, ea einhver tlvuhakkari internetinu, jafnvel Rsslandi, v ar voru ll ggnin llum agengileg einhvern tma.

etta eru um 150 Mb af ggnum me sundum skjala sem virast vera agengileg llum sem hafa ge sr a skoa au, en mia vi netheima undanfarna tvo daga virast eir vera allmargir. Ggnin virast, eftir v sem fram hefur komi, vera svikin, en er aldrei a vita nema einhverju hafi veri breytt.

Ekki er hgt undir nokkrum kringumstum a mla innbrotum tlvukerfi annarra bt. Innbrot er alltaf innbrot og stuldur tlvuggnum er jfnaur eins og annar jfnaur. Maur verur alltaf fyrir sm falli egar frttist af svona mlum og fer a velta v fyrir sr hve tlvukerfi geta veri tryggur geymslustaur. Maur veru einnig hugsi yfir tilganginum. Getur hugsanlega veri a einhver innanhss hafi hugsa svipa og "Litli Landsmamaurinn" snum tma og telji innbroti v afsakanlegt. Hver sem tilgangurinn er, er erfitt a verja hann siferislega.

Meal gagnanna var aragri tlvupsta milli vsindamanna undanfarinn ratug ea svo. Nokkur essara brfa hafa fari eins og eldur sinu um netheima undanfarna daga og veri fjalla um au m.a. greinum vefsum og greinum erlendra blaa. ar komst undirritaur ekki hj v a lesa innihald nokkurra eirra og var aftur brugi. Eiginlega orlaus. Maur ekki a lesa annarra manna pst, en egar rdrttur er birtur svona berandi htt og svona va kemst maur ekki hj v a lesa eitthva af v sem ar stendur, gefellt s.

a virist nefnilega vera a heimur essara vsindamanna sr ekki alveg flekklaus. essu sm falli sem bloggarinn upplifi kom honum jafnvel augnablik fyrir sjnir s heimur sem birtist skldsgu Michaels Chricton, State of Fear. Auvita alls ekki sambrilegt, og ...

essum pistli verur ekkert birt r essum brfum, enda mjg vieigandi. Vilji menn lesa tarlegri umfjllun vera menn v a sna sr anna, t.d. essar vefsur:

DV: Rannsknir hitafarsbreytingum falsaar.

Vsir: Loftslagsfringar sagir kja strlega.

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Umfjllun er miklu var, enda hltur etta ml a hafa eftirmla. Ekki bara vegna innbrotsins, heldur einnig vegna ess sem komi hefur ljs r innihaldi eirra, samkvmt v sem lesa m ofangreindum vefsum. Ef mark er takandi v sem birt hefur veri, hafa vinnubrgin hj umrddri stofnun ekki alltaf veri til sma. v miur mun ein afleiingin geta ori s a menn fari a vantreysta vsindarannsknum almennt. Af v hefur undirritaur einna mestar hyggjur.

Eiginlega er maur orlaus yfir essum skpum llum... Sjlfsagt verum vi a ba nokkra daga ar til ryki sem essi atburur hefur yrla upp hverfur a mestu og menn n ttum. anga til er varlegast a draga ekki of miklar lyktanir.


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Athugasemdir

1 Smmynd: Hskuldur Bi Jnsson

Lklega er best a lesa umfjllun RealClimate - en ar hefur Gavin Schmidt, einn af eim sem kemur fyrir einhverjum tlvupstanna reynt a tskra eitthva af innihaldi eirra: RealClimate - The CRU hack. Komnar nokkur hundru athugasemdir, en me v a skanna nafni "gavin" finnur maur svrin hans.

Vi fjlluum um mli loftslag.is: Sj Heitt: Hakkarar afrita tlvupsta og skjl

Hskuldur Bi Jnsson, 22.11.2009 kl. 09:14

2 Smmynd: Fannar fr Rifi

samsriskenningar um a vsindamenn falsi ea feli ggn til ess a styrkja kenningar snar um hnattrna hlnun virast vera reistar rkum en ekki sandi. naldartrarbrg Al Gores og annara dmsdagsspmanna virast vera mia vi etta svipa og 2000 vandinn snum tma. stormur vatnsglasi.

v ef satt reynist er str hluti af essum vsindamnnum og eim sem fylja eim a mli sem boa kenningu um hlnun af vldum manna, lygarar ea trgjrn frnarlmb lygara.

j g tek undir me r a miklar lkur eru v a almenningur muni vantreysta vsindamnnum eftir etta. ef eir viurkenna brot sn og koma hreint fram vri hgt a takmarka skaan. ef reynt verur a breia yfir allt saman eru miklar lkur a eim veri ekki treyst um langa framt.

Fannar fr Rifi, 22.11.2009 kl. 09:41

3 Smmynd: Hskuldur Bi Jnsson

Svar Fannars endurspeglar umruna af efasemdasum erlendis - ekki beint veri a draga lyktun of fljtt, ea hva?

Fannar, a vri kannski betra a segja hva a er sem verur til ess a kemst a essari niurstu.

Hskuldur Bi Jnsson, 22.11.2009 kl. 09:50

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Jja.... !!!

arf a segja meira?

Dmstlar, hrlendir og aljlegur lgu j blessun sna yfir a jfstolnir tlvupstar minnar gtu vinkonu Jnnu vru birtir og notair gegn henni svo af hverju ekki etta? En fyrst arf auvita a rannsaka mli af til ess brum ailum og vsindamenn essir a f a hreinsa sitt mannor, ef eir geta a.

Bjrn Geir Leifsson (IP-tala skr) 22.11.2009 kl. 12:28

5 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

LORD LAWSON CALLS FOR PUBLIC INQUIRY INTO CRU DATA AFFAIR


The Global Warming Policy Foundation, 23 November 2009

http://www.thegwpf.org/news/137-lord-lawson-calls-for-public-inquiry-into-uea-global-warming-data-manipulation.html <http://www.thegwpf.org/news/137-lord-lawson-calls-for-public-inquiry-into-uea-global-warming-data-manipulation.html>

In response to recent revelations contained in leaked e-mails originating from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, Lord Lawson, Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the GWPF, has called for a rigorous and independent inquiry into the matter. While reserving judgment on the contents of the e-mails, Lord Lawson said these are very serious issues and allegations that reach to the heart of scientific integrity and credibility:

"Astonishingly, what appears, at least at first blush, to have emerged is that (a) the scientists have been manipulating the raw temperature figures to show a relentlessly rising global warming trend; (b) they have consistently refused outsiders access to the raw data; (c) the scientists have been trying to avoid freedom of information requests; and (d) they have been discussing ways to prevent papers by dissenting scientists being published in learned journals."

"There may be a perfectly innocent explanation. But what is clear is that the integrity of the scientific evidence on which not merely the British Government, but other countries, too, through the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, claim to base far-reaching and hugely expensive policy decisions, has been called into question. And the reputation of British science has been seriously tarnished. A high-level independent inquiry must be set up without delay."

Lord Lawson added:

"Since the CRU is funded by the Natural Environment Research Council (NERC) and is part of the University of East Anglia, we should call on Edmund Wallis, the chairman of the NERC and Brandon Gough, the Chancellor of the UEA, to jointly commission an independent inquiry into the revelations, including, of course, their veracity."

Professsor David Henderson, the Chairman of the Academic Advisory Council <http://www.thegwpf.org/academic-advisory-council.html> of the GWPF said:


"The evolution of climate policies needs to be linked to a process of inquiry, review and advice that is more open, thorough, balanced and objective than is now the case. This is the mission of the Global Warming Policy Foundation."

gst H Bjarnason, 23.11.2009 kl. 18:26

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Gott a sj a ert vaktinni. Ekki veitir af, egar helsta nskpun landinu okkar eru nir skattar.

Gullvagninn (IP-tala skr) 24.11.2009 kl. 07:13

7 Smmynd: Finnur Hrafn Jnsson

Um CRU forrit og frumka eirra

Forrit CRU eru til a vinna me gagnasfn yfir veurstvamlingar og arar beinar mlingar. Ggn eru villuprfu, leirtt, dregin saman og sett fram sem lnurit sem vi ekkjum um hitafar jrinni sustu ratugi og stundum rhundru.

eir sem tala fyrir manngerri hlnun leggja herslu a a hlnunin sustu ratugi s einstk og hljti ess vegna a stafa af mannavldum. Hitaferlar sem sna hraa hlnun af mannavldum 20. ldinni samanburi vi a sem ur hefur sst eiga a styja vi fullyringu. fir efist um a hlnun hafi tt sr sta undanfarin 200 r ea svo, eru msir sem draga efa a hn hafi veri jafn mikil og af er lti. eirefast uma rtt s unni r ggnum sem tiltk eru. trekaar tilraunir m.a. me tilvsunar til upplsingalaga hafa ltt duga til a f CRU til a lta af hendi frumggn og forrit sem eir byggja snar niurstur .

kkti lauslega hluta af frumkanum fr CRU sem var leki neti. standi kanum er lti skrra en kanum sem James Hansen og flagar hj NASA voru neyddir til a birta fyrir tveimur rum. S ki er til a vinna me GISTEMP gagnasafni sem er sambrilegt vi CRU gagnasafni yfir hitamlingar jrinni undanfarna ratugi.

Str hluti af kanum er skrifaur Fortran forritunarmli. Fortran var bsna mikil framfr egar a kom til sgunnar fyrir um 50 rum. Meira en 30 r eru san mun betri forritunarml komu til sgunnar. ar fyrir utan m va finna dmi um a sem forritarar kalla "spagettiki" en a er ki sem notar svokalla "go to" fram og aftur kanum, sem eykur villuhttu og gerir erfitt a rekja fli vinnslu. Fyrsta rs nemandi tlvunarfri sem skilai fr sr svona ka myndi ekki standast lgmarkskrfur.

Athugasemdir (comments) ka voru af mjg skornum skammti og stundum engar. Yfirleitt var ekki teki fram hver var hfundur kans enda kannski skiljanlegt.

Engin merki sust um notkun ntmatkni eins og gagnagrunna, tgfustringar, einingaprfana o.fl. sem geta hjlpa verulega til a bta gi og spara tma.

a eina sem CRU kinn hefur fram yfir GISTEMP kann er a ar sem Fortran er ekki nota hafa eir nota IDL sem er mun skrri kostur en Python sem er notaur GISTEMP samt Fortran.

Almennt m segja a lausleg skoun frumkanum eflir ekki tr v a faglega s stai a verki vi mehndlun og rvinnslu gagna um hitafar jrinni. Einnig hltur a a vekja spurningar a IPCC nefnd Sameinuu janna skuli telja sr frt a byggja snar niurstur frumggnum sem fst ekki birt. einhverjar veurstofur vilji selja ggnin sn vera menn einfaldlega a kaupa leyfi til birtingar ef eir tla a nota au.

Einn af eim sem bloggai um CRUGate eins og n er fari a kalla lekann sagi fr v a hann ynni sem tlfringur fyrir eitt af strstu lyfjafyrirtkjum heims. Hann sagi a til a f lyf samykkt hj t.d. Lyfjastofnun Bandarkjanna yrftu eir a leggja fram ll ggn um mlingar og prfanir njum lyfjum. ar me sagi hann a ll frumggn, ll rvinnsluforrit og lsing vinnsluferlum yrfti a liggja fyrir. Eigin rvinnsla Lyfjastofnunar yrfti san a skila smu niurstum til a lyf gti fengist samykkt.

Er einhver sta til a gera minni krfur til starfs IPCC nefndar? Niurstur hennar hafa hrif kvaranir sem vara lf mikils fjlda flks. Ef ftkum runarjum verur meina a nota orkugjafa eins og olu ea kol getur a tafi framrun eirra um fjlda ra me tilheyrandi kostnai miljnum mannslfa. Sagan kennir okkur a a er fullkomin htta a etta gerist. ratuga bann vi notkun DDT kostai miljnir mannslfa. Nna nlega var banninu afltt egar aljastofnanir loksins viurkenndu a a var enginn vsindalegur grunnur fyrir banninu.

Finnur Hrafn Jnsson, 24.11.2009 kl. 08:33

8 Smmynd: Hskuldur Bi Jnsson

Hr er n frsla loftslag.is um mli: http://www.loftslag.is/?p=3862

Hskuldur Bi Jnsson, 24.11.2009 kl. 09:27

9 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

Krar akkir Finnur fyrir mjg gagnlega umfjllun um hugbnaarvinnuna. ar sem ert bi verkfringur og tlvunarfringur og hefur starfa lengi hugbnaargeiranum tek g miki mark v sem skrifar.

a vekur um gar minningar egar minnist Fortran, v g kynntist fyrst forritun Fortran fyrstu rum tlvutkninnar. Tlvan var IBM-1620, fyrsta tlvan sem hsklinn eignaist og n er komin jminjasafni. Fortran er v heldur betur komi til ra sinna og kemur vart a a skuli enn nota svona mikilvgri gagnarvinnslu. Spakhettkun ekki g lka fr v gamla daga og er ekki saklaus ar og ekki vel r gngur sem endalausar goto tilvsanir koma manni , samt v a yfirsnin hverfur gersamlega og maur tapar fljtt ttum.

g er fyrst og fremst leikmaur forritun, en hef forrita sm vegna starfsins undanfrnum rum og ykist v skilja vel hve grarlegar gngur essi frigrein er komin . g veit ekki hvort ori saskapur s nothft essu samhengi?

Vonandi verur CRUgate mli til ess a ess a menn fari a vanda sig meira og vinna fyrir opnum tjldum.

Vonandi heldur okkur upplstum um a sem verur vsari Finnur.

gst H Bjarnason, 24.11.2009 kl. 10:08

10 Smmynd: Sveinn Atli Gunnarsson

Sm upplsingar um Fortran af Wikipedia:

Fortran (previously FORTRAN)[1] is a general-purpose,[2] procedural,[3] imperative programming language that is especially suited to numeric computation and scientific computing. Originally developed by IBM in the 1950s for scientific and engineering applications, Fortran came to dominate this area of programming early on and has been in continual use for over half a century in computationally intensive areas such as numerical weather prediction, finite element analysis, computational fluid dynamics (CFD), computational physics, and computational chemistry. It is one of the most popular languages in the area of high-performance computing and is the language used for programs that benchmark and rank the world&#39;s fastest supercomputers.[4]

Fortran (a blend derived from The IBM Mathematical Formula Translating System) encompasses a lineage of versions, each of which evolved to add extensions to the language while usually retaining compatibility with previous versions. Successive versions have added support for processing of character-based data (FORTRAN 77), array programming, modular programming and object-based programming (Fortran 90 / 95), and object-oriented and generic programming (Fortran 2003).

Legacy

Since Fortran has been in use for more than fifty years, there is a vast body of Fortran in daily use throughout the scientific and engineering communities. It is the primary language for some of the most intensive supercomputing tasks, such as weather and climate modeling, computational fluid dynamics, computational chemistry, computational economics, and computational physics. Even today, half a century later, many of the floating-point benchmarks to gauge the performance of new computer processors are still written in Fortran (e.g., CFP2006, the floating-point component of the SPEC CPU2006 benchmarks).

Sveinn Atli Gunnarsson, 24.11.2009 kl. 10:19

11 Smmynd: Hskuldur Bi Jnsson

Vonandi verur a einnig til ess a efasemdamenn rfi ekki stolin ggn annarra r samhengi og bi til einhverjar samsriskenningar sem eiga sr ekki sto raunveruleikanum.

Veit Finnur t.d. hvaa forritunarkar etta eru, veit hann hvort eir eru notair dag - ea er hans eina heimild Wattsupwiththat og tengdar sur? a vantar allt kjt beinin etta yfirlit hans. g vil endilega f nnari tlistun essu.

a getur vel veri a arna s um lleg vinnubrg a ra - en g er ekki a sj a hgt s a tlka etta eins og Finnur gerir, nema vita meira hvaa kar etta eru. Yri hann t.d. sttur vi a fyrsta uppkast hans a einhverjum ka sem hann vri a vinna a vri birtur svona opinberlega og mgulega rangtlkaur?

Hskuldur Bi Jnsson, 24.11.2009 kl. 10:24

12 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

Fortran er barns sns tma. Skil ekki a nokkur maur skuli nota a enn dag frekar en t.d. C ea C++. Skyldu menn lka nota Hollerith spjldin enn eins og Fortran tmanum?

Annars er kvei sport v a nota svona gamla hluti. Hva jafnast vi tilfinningu a aka um fornbl, ra hesti, sigla seglsktu og nota morseka fjarskiptum. Kannski ekki beinlnis ntmalegt, en samt notalegt. Hr vi hliina mr er pdp11 sem keypt var 1980 og nnur SWTP6800 fr 1975. Bar voru miki notaar rum ur en eru n sestar helgan stein. Vi megum ekki vanmeta a sem er gamalt..., svo a vi notum auvita a besta sem vl er egar unni er a mikilvgum verkefnum.

gst H Bjarnason, 24.11.2009 kl. 11:01

13 Smmynd: Sveinn Atli Gunnarsson

Mr snist etta n vera nota eitthva (einnig verkfri), en vntanlega hefur etta rast nokku miki sustu ratugum. annig a a er n ekki mjg g rk a af v a etta s gamalt s a nothft. Einnig kemur hvergi fram a etta s a eina gagnavinnslan sem notu er. S.s. a a sjir ekki merki um ara gagnavinnslu akkrat essum ggnum, tilokar a sjlfu sr ekki a svo geti veri...ea hva? Annars vil g benda eftirfarandi aftur:

Legacy

Since Fortran has been in use for more than fifty years, there is a vast body of Fortran in daily use throughout the scientific and engineering communities. It is the primary language for some of the most intensive supercomputing tasks, such as weather and climate modeling, computational fluid dynamics, computational chemistry, computational economics, and computational physics. Even today, half a century later, many of the floating-point benchmarks to gauge the performance of new computer processors are still written in Fortran (e.g., CFP2006, the floating-point component of the SPEC CPU2006 benchmarks).

Sveinn Atli Gunnarsson, 24.11.2009 kl. 11:16

14 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

g vil ekki htta mr deilur um Fortran og nnur forritunarml. Lri eitt sinn Fortran, san Algol, hef fikta me Basic, Pascal, C og Java, hef forrita tluvert STL, en veit samt miklu minna um essi ml en Finnur. Treysti honum best til a fra okkur um ennan heim.

Vafalti eru til milljnir lna Fortran source-ka fr fyrri rum sem menn eru a bgglast vi a vihalda, en g bgt me a tra a nokkur noti Fortran fyrir n verkefni.

gst H Bjarnason, 24.11.2009 kl. 12:03

15 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

Mig langar til a gefa Dr. Judith Curry loftslagsfringi ori, en hn fjallar fyrradag um trverugleika loftslagsfrinnar tilefni atburanna undanfarna daga:

(Feitletrun og litbreytingar eru mnar).

Having been riveted for the last few days by posts in the blogosphere on the HADCRU hack and the increasing attention being given to this by the mainstream media, I would like to provide an &#147;external but insider&#148; assessment and perspective. My perspective is as a climate researcher that is not involved directly in any of the controversies and issues in the purloined HADCRU emails, but as one that is familiar with this research, the surrounding controversies, and many of the individuals who sent these emails. While the blogosphere has identified many emails that allegedly indicate malfeasance, clarifications especially from Gavin Schmidt have been very helpful in providing explanations and the appropriate context for these emails. However, even if the hacked emails from HADCRU end up to be much ado about nothing in the context of any actual misfeasance that impacts the climate data records, the damage to the public credibility of climate research is likely to be significant. In my opinion, there are two broader issues raised by these emails that are impeding the public credibility of climate research: lack of transparency in climate data, and &#147;tribalism&#148; in some segments of the climate research community that is impeding peer review and the assessment process.

1. Transparency. Climate data needs to be publicly available and well documented. This includes metadata that explains how the data were treated and manipulated, what assumptions were made in assembling the data sets, and what data was omitted and why. This would seem to be an obvious and simple requirement, but the need for such transparency has only been voiced recently as the policy relevance of climate data has increased. The HADCRU surface climate dataset and the paleoclimate dataset that has gone into the various &#147;hockeystick&#148; analyses stand out as lacking such transparency. Much of the paleoclimate data and metadata has become available only because of continued public pressure from Steve McIntyre. Datasets that were processed and developed decades ago and that are now regarded as essential elements of the climate data record often contain elements whose raw data or metadata were not preserved (this appears to be the case with HADCRUT). The HADCRU surface climate dataset needs public documentation that details the time period and location of individual station measurements used in the data set, statistical adjustments to the data, how the data were analyzed to produce the climatology, and what measurements were omitted and why. If these data and metadata are unavailable, I would argue that the data set needs to be reprocessed (presumably the original raw data is available from the original sources). Climate data sets should be regularly reprocessed as new data becomes available and analysis methods improve. There are a number of aspects of the surface climate record that need to be understood better. For example, the surface temperature bump ca. 1940 needs to be sorted out, and I am personally lacking confidence in how this period is being treated in the HADCRUT analysis. In summary, given the growing policy relevance of climate data, increasingly higher standards must be applied to the transparency and availability of climate data and metadata. These standards should be clarified, applied and enforced by the relevant national funding agencies and professional societies that publish scientific journals.

2. Climate tribalism. Tribalism is defined here as a strong identity that separates one&#146;s group from members of another group, characterized by strong in-group loyalty and regarding other groups differing from the tribe&#146;s defining characteristics as inferior. In the context of scientific research, tribes differ from groups of colleagues that collaborate and otherwise associate with each other professionally. As a result of the politicization of climate science, climate tribes (consisting of a small number of climate researchers) were established in response to the politically motivated climate disinformation machine that was associated with e.g. ExxonMobil, CEI, Inhofe/Morano etc. The reaction of the climate tribes to the political assault has been to circle the wagons and point the guns outward in an attempt to discredit misinformation from politicized advocacy groups. The motivation of scientists in the pro AGW tribes appears to be less about politics and more about professional ego and scientific integrity as their research was under assault for nonscientific reasons (I&#146;m sure there are individual exceptions, but this is my overall perception). I became adopted into a &#147;tribe&#148; during Autumn 2005 after publication of the Webster et al. hurricane and global warming paper. I and my colleagues were totally bewildered and overwhelmed by the assault we found ourselves under, and associating with a tribe where others were more experienced and savvy about how to deal with this was a relief and very helpful at the time.

After becoming more knowledgeable about the politics of climate change (both the external politics and the internal politics within the climate field), I became concerned about some of the tribes pointing their guns inward at other climate researchers who question their research or don&#146;t pass various loyalty tests. I even started spending time at climateaudit, and my public congratulations to Steve McIntyre when climateaudit won the &#147;best science blog award&#148; was greeted with a rather unpleasant email from one of the tribal members. While the &#147;hurricane wars&#148; fizzled out in less than a year as the scientists recovered from the external assault and got back to business as usual in terms of arguing science with their colleagues, the &#147;hockey wars&#148; have continued apparently unabated. With the publication of the IPCC 4th Assessment report, the Nobel Peace Prize, and energy legislation near the top of the national legislative agenda, the &#147;denialists&#148; were becoming increasingly irrelevant (the Heartland Conference and NIPCC are not exactly household words). Hence it is difficult to understand the continued circling of the wagons by some climate researchers with guns pointed at skeptical researchers by apparently trying to withhold data and other information of relevance to published research, thwart the peer review process, and keep papers out of assessment reports. Scientists are of course human, and short-term emotional responses to attacks and adversity are to be expected, but I am particularly concerned by this apparent systematic and continuing behavior from scientists that hold editorial positions, serve on important boards and committees and participate in the major assessment reports. It is these issues revealed in the HADCRU emails that concern me the most, and it seems difficult to spin many of the emails related to FOIA, peer review, and the assessment process. I sincerely hope that these emails do not in actuality reflect what they appear to, and I encourage Gavin Schmidt et al. to continue explaining the individual emails and the broader issues of concern.

In summary, the problem seems to be that the circling of the wagons strategy developed by small groups of climate researchers in response to the politically motivated attacks against climate science are now being used against other climate researchers and the more technical blogs (e.g. Climateaudit, Lucia, etc). Particularly on a topic of such great public relevance, scientists need to consider carefully skeptical arguments and either rebut them or learn from them. Trying to suppress them or discredit the skeptical researcher or blogger is not an ethical strategy and one that will backfire in the long run. I have some sympathy for Phil Jones&#146; concern of not wanting to lose control of his personal research agenda by having to take the time to respond to all the queries and requests regarding his dataset, but the receipt of large amounts of public funding pretty much obligates CRU to respond to these requests. The number of such requests would be drastically diminished if all relevant and available data and metadata were made publicly accessible, and if requests from Steve McIntyre were honored (I assume that many spurious requests have been made to support Steve McIntyre&#146;s request, and these would all disappear).

The HADCRU hack has substantially increased the relevance of Climateaudit, WUWT, etc. The quickest way for HADCRU et al. to put Climateaudit and the rest of this tribe out of business is make all climate data and metadata public and make every effort to improve the datasets based on all feedback that you receive. Do this and they will quickly run out of steam and become irrelevant &#x263A;. Gavin Schmidt&#146;s current efforts at realclimate are a good step in the right direction of increasing transparency.

But the broader issue is the need to increase the public credibility of climate science. This requires publicly available data and metadata, a rigorous peer review process, and responding to arguments raised by skeptics. The integrity of individual scientists that are in positions of responsibility (e.g. administrators at major research institutions, editorial boards, major committees, and assessments) is particularly important for the public credibility of climate science. The need for public credibility and transparency has dramatically increased in recent years as the policy relevance of climate research has increased. The climate research enterprise has not yet adapted to this need, and our institutions need to strategize to respond to this need.

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Smvegis um Dr. Judit Curry:

Professional Experience

2002- Chair, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology
1992-2002 Professor, University of Colorado-Boulder, Department of Aerospace Engineering Sciences
Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
Environmental Studies Program
1989-1992 Associate Professor, Department of Meteorology, Penn State
1986-1989 Assistant Professor, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Purdue University
1982-1986 Assistant Scientist, Department of Meteorology, University of Wisconsin-Madison

Awards/Honors

2006Georgia Tech Sigma Xi Award, Best Faculty Paper Award
2004Fellow, American Geophysical Union
2002NASA Group Achievement Award for CAMEX-4
1997Elected Councilor, American Meteorological Society
1995Fellow, American Meteorological Society"
1992Henry G. Houghton Award, the American Meteorological Society
1988Presidential Young Investigator Award, the National Science Foundation Councillor

gst H Bjarnason, 24.11.2009 kl. 12:13

16 Smmynd: Vilhjlmur Eyrsson

Allt etta ml er enn einn naglinn lkkistu Al Gore- grurhsasteypunnar. Kynslir framtarinnar munu undrast hvernig etta ml komst yfirleitt af sta og munu ktveltast af hltri yfir megintilgangi grurhsamanna, sem er a flta fyrir eirri klnun og ornun jararinnar, sem stai hefur sex- sj sund r. sldin kemur fyrr ea sar. etta verur lka kannski til a menn htti a taka allt sem fr "vsindamnnum" kemur eins og gusor. Menn, sem titla sig "vsindamenn" eru svaxandi mli farnir a tala eins og prestar kalsku kirkjunnar mildum, sem handhafar sannleikans, ar sem enginn efi kemst af. Mjg margir eirra sem hvrastir eru, eru alls ekki menntair loftslagsmlum, heldur einhverri annarri, alls skyldri vsindagrein, t.d. stjarnelisfringurinn James Hansen, en hann er aein einn af mrgum slkum "vsindamnnum" sem hst hafa um essi ml. Um samkundunua Kaupmannahfn er best a hafa or lafs p Laxdlu: &#147;a vil eg a eir ri sem hyggnari eru. v verr ykir mr sem oss muni duga heimskra manna brg er eir koma fleiri saman&#148;.

Vilhjlmur Eyrsson, 24.11.2009 kl. 13:00

17 Smmynd: Finnur Hrafn Jnsson

Einn af frumkvlum tlvunarfrinnar, Edsger W. Dijkstra skrifai frga grein ri 1968 ar sem "go to" var lst sem skilegri afer til a nota vi forritun. Fljtlega upp r v var til a sem kallaa var "Structured programming" ar sem betri aferir en "go to" voru settar fram. Meal annars minnir mig a 1977 tgfunni af Fortran sem varein af fyrstutgfunum af Fortran sem mr var kennd, hafi veri kominn stuningur vi "Structured programming".

Notkun "go to" nna 30 rum seinna lsir engu ru en yfirgengilegum skorti fagmennsku sem tti ekki a last verkefnum sem eru kostu af almannaf.

Jones og flagar hj CRU eru ekki a framkvma neina rvinnslu sem kallar ofurtlvur. Enda sst a kinn hefur veri a keyra VAX tlvum og seinna Linux tlvum sem ekki eru ofurtlvur. Ekkert af verkefnum CRU fellur undir tilvitnaa Wikipedia grein ar sem tala er um "...weather prediction, finite element analysis, computational fluid dynamics (CFD), computational physics, and computational chemistry..."

ekkt er a Fortran samt C er nota enn ofurtlvum ar sem herslan er a nta gmul forritasfn fyrir treikninga sem menn hafa ekki enn endurskrifa ntmalegri forritunarmlum.

g fullyrti ekkert um hva af essum ka vri notkun dag en nfn vinnumppum bentu til a kinn hefi veri notaur til a vinna me nleg gagnasett eins og Yamal o.fl. sem hefur miki veri umrunni undanfari. Umfang kans sem var leki er umtalsvert og tengist augljslega verkefnum sem CRU er ekkt fyrir.

Mr er a full ljst a forngripir eins og Fortran og Cobol forritunarml eru notkun enn. Oftast skrist a me v a veri er a reyna a fresta kostnaarsmum endurskriftum sem hjkvmilega eiga eftir a gerast. ekki vri nema af v a sfellt erfiara verur a finna forritara sem kunna essi forritunarml. Menn geta deilt um kosti og galla forritunarmla sem mest eru notu nna eins og Java og C#. ratugir er san essari umru lauk hj tlvunarfringum hva varar Fortran og Cobol.

A segja tlvunarfringi a nota Fortran til a leysa verkefni sta t.d. Java ea C# er eins og segja einhverjum a grafa skur me skflu sta ess a nota vlgrfu. g ekki muninn sjlfum mr. Um 1980 var g sasta hpnum sem kennt var Hsklanum a forrita me Fortran gataspjldum. Strax eftir kynntist g einnig mun betri forritunarmlum eins og Modula 2, C o.fl. sem var byrja a kenna.

Finnur Hrafn Jnsson, 24.11.2009 kl. 15:31

18 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

Hr er eitt af skjlunum:

http://www.di2.nu/foia/HARRY_READ_ME.txt

Getur einhver frtt okkur um hva er hr seyi?

gst H Bjarnason, 24.11.2009 kl. 22:13

20 Smmynd: Hskuldur Bi Jnsson

gst: a vita allir sem fylgjast me essu a Harry var einn af eim sem var a laga essa frumka (debugga)- ea ertu ekki binn a lesa athugasemdirnar RealClimate.org? ar koma fram tskringar flestum eim skunum sem komi hafa fram varandi tlvupstana og kann sjlfan. a gengur ekki a vera a flytja frttir af svona nokku n ess a skoa bar hliar mlsins.

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Flott athugasemd hj Judith Curry sem vsar hr fyrir ofan, vi sem fylgjumst me loftslagsumrunni knnumst vi hana og vitum a hn hefur eflaust lg a mla me margt sem hn segir arna. Sumt orkar tvmlis, eins og t.d. me a a Wattsupwiththat og Climateaudit myndu htta a fjalla um efasemdaml tengd loftslagsmlum ef eir fengju agang a ggnunum. S hefur ekki ori raunin eins og t.d. me kvartanir eirra CA me a f ekki agang a ggnum Briffa - eir hfu haft agang a eim fr 2004, en hldu samt fram a kvarta. Ggnin fr NASA GisTemp hafa veri agengileg nokkur r netinu - g veit ekki til ess a a hafi breytt nokkru varandi rsir eirra a gagnasafn. annig a a stenst ekki allt sem a Curry segir.

g mli samt me v a haldir fram a vitna hana um nnur loftslagstengd mlefni. Hn hefur t.d. lst v opinberlega a skrslur IPCC hafi veri a besta sem vl var - en viurkennir jafnframt a ekkingunni fleygi fram og margt af v sem kom fram eim skrslum s rellt (og er hn ekki a tala um a nlegar rannsknir bendi til a afleiingarnar veri minni - heldur er hn a tala um a afleiingarnar virast geta ori meiri).

T.d. er rannsknir hennar helstu httu hlnandi jarar - .e. aukningu alvarlegum fellibyljum, hugaverar. a er reyndar tluverri andstu vi a sem haldi hefur veri fram essum sum t.d. (allavega athugasemdum). En hn hefur skrifa fjldan allan af greinum um fellibyli og aukningu sem ori hefur n egar.

Sem sagt merkilegur vsindamaur og vel ess viri a vitna sem oftast

Hskuldur Bi Jnsson, 24.11.2009 kl. 22:49

21 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

Krar akkir Hski fyrir tskringarnar Harry_read_me.txt: "a vita allir sem fylgjast me essu a Harry var einn af eim sem var a laga essa frumka (debugga)" Frbrt :-)

Anna eins og fram kemur essari skr hef g aldrei s. vlkt og anna eins!

g hvet alla til a skoa etta vel til a f sm nasasjn af eim vinnubrgum sem virast vigangast arna. Hreint t sagt trlegt.

Sem sagt hr:

http://www.di2.nu/foia/HARRY_READ_ME.txt

Takk aftur Hski Bi :-)

gst H Bjarnason, 24.11.2009 kl. 23:00

22 Smmynd: Hskuldur Bi Jnsson

gst: Mgai g ig? - Frbrt :)

g benti r a hvar getur nlgast tskringar essum kum, en ar sem virist ekki tla a skoa a, skal g kpera svari fyrir ig:

[Response: That file is obviously just a notebook for someone piecing together work legacy code made by other people. Messy for sure, but certainly not the &#39;final version&#39; of the code. It was probably produced in moving from the CRU TS 2.1 to 3.0 version (which is a completely separate data set from the standard HadCRUT numbers by the way) and involves a lot more interpolation. See here: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/hrg.htm (when their server comes back up), also Mitchell and Jones (2005). - gavin]

Annars vorkenni g aumingja Harry, hver svo sem hann er. v hans forritunarvinna virist vera dmd einhverskonar uppkasti. a vri frlegt a heyra hans hli essu mli

Hskuldur Bi Jnsson, 25.11.2009 kl. 00:51

23 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

v miur er g alveg httur a skilja etta ml sem mr ykir einstaklega sorglegt.

g er leiur yfir v a menn skuli vera a brjtast inn tlvukerfi (ef vi gefum okkur a a hafi ekki veri einhver innanhss sem kom essu framfri) og g er leiur yfir v sem virist hafa komi ljs. g hlt alltaf a vinnubrgin vru miklu fagmannlegri hj svona stofnunum en virist hafa komi ljs.

etta er auvita ekkert einkaml frra manna. A sjlfsgu ber llum sem a essum mlum koma a stunda fagleg vinnubrg fyrir opnum tjldum eins og dr. Judith Curry prfessor bendir textanum sem g afritai athugasemd nmer 15. Mr ykja skrif hennar mjg skynsamleg, enda er hn frimaur sem ntur mikillar viringar. pistli hennar er aalatrii "Transparency" og a sem hn kallar "Tribalism" essum vsindum, .e. egar menn skiptast (vinveitta) hpa sem ekki geta rst vi. Hn fjallar einnig um plitskar rsir vsindamenn og ara sem fjalla um essi ml rum ntum en hefbundi er. g tek heilshugar undir hgvr or hennar: "...Particularly on a topic of such great public relevance, scientists need to consider carefully skeptical arguments and either rebut them or learn from them. Trying to suppress them or discredit the skeptical researcher or blogger is not an ethical strategy and one that will backfire in the long run...".

g vona a svona vinnubrg, eins og virast vera a koma ljs, su algjr undantekning hj rannsknastofnunum. g get treka a sem kom fram pistlinum: "v miur mun ein afleiingin geta ori s a menn fari a vantreysta vsindarannsknum almennt. Af v hefur undirritaur einna mestar hyggjur".

gst H Bjarnason, 25.11.2009 kl. 06:02

24 Smmynd: Hskuldur Bi Jnsson

"v miur mun ein afleiingin geta ori s a menn fari a vantreysta vsindarannsknum almennt. Af v hefur undirritaur einna mestar hyggjur".

Til a sna or n verki, vri gtt ef myndir lka fjalla um hina hli mlsins.

Kenningin um hlnun jarar af mannavldum eru mjg traust vsindi tt haldir v stundum fram a svo s ekki (yfirleitt me beinum htti).

Annars er gott a skulir taka undir a a vsindamenn skiptist vinveitta hpa - v geturu vart sammlst skoun margra sem a lesa na su um a einhvers konar samsri s a ra meal vsindamanna.

Hskuldur Bi Jnsson, 25.11.2009 kl. 08:45

25 Smmynd: SeeingRed

Stundum geta hakkarar greinilega veri gagnlegt li og gott a etta er komi upp yfirbori...ekki vnti g a vi vildum a essi vinnubrg vru vihf fram, sem er lklegt ahefu vigengistreitt fram ef ekki hefi komi essar mikilvgu upplsingar fram, v miur erufingar Gavin Schmidtekki trverugar og virka sem rvntingarfullar tilraunir til a lgmarka skaann af lekanum.

SeeingRed, 25.11.2009 kl. 14:32

26 Smmynd: skar orkelsson

fyrir 2 rum fkk g hendur skrslu sem dreif var meal norskra kaupsslumanna um global warming, essi skrsla skaut niur flestar r kenningar sem komi hafa fram um global warming og orsakir ess.. g get komi henni til n gst egar bortlvan mn hefur fengi skj.. mjg svo athyglisver skrsla sem galopnai augun mr um essi grurhsahrif.. hn er norsku.

skar orkelsson, 25.11.2009 kl. 16:06

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Minni enn a notkun og birting tlvugagna, hvernig sem eirra hefur veri afla, eim tilgangi a kasta ljsi mlefni sem teljast eiga erindi til almennings hefur veri lst leyfilegt af slenskum dmstolum og mannrttindadmstlnum (sj innlegg mitt, nr 4 hr ofar.)

A RealClimate.org stendur meal annars:

"As people are also no doubt aware the breaking into of computers and releasing private information is illegal, and regardless of how they were obtained, posting private correspondence without permission is unethical. We therefore aren&#146;t going to post any of the emails here."

ekkir ekki einhver ykkar essa aila og geti bent eim a eir megi alveg sna ggnin vegna ess a au hafa j grarlega miki gildi fyrir heimsbyggina, er a ekki?

En kannski hafa eir ekki huga v? ;)

Bjrn Geir Leifsson (IP-tala skr) 25.11.2009 kl. 17:42

28 Smmynd: Finnur Hrafn Jnsson

essi Harry ekki mestu skina. Hann hefur greinilega veri settur a endurnta ka sem hefur veri hrikalegu standi. Illa skipulagur, illa skjalaur og ggnin sem hann tti a vinna me jafn slmu standi ea au vantai hreinlega. Svona staa kemur einfaldlega ekki upp ar sem faglega er stai a hugbnaarger.

etta eru vinnubrg sem engin lei er a verja.

Finnur Hrafn Jnsson, 25.11.2009 kl. 17:58

29 Smmynd: Sveinn Atli Gunnarsson

Finnur: a a essi ki, sem telur vera illa unnin (og er vntanlega bara uppkast) s til, tilokar alls ekki a a s fjldin allur af rum forritum og kum notkun heimi loftslagsvsinda.

Anna sem mig langar a benda , a essir tlvupstar, sem hugsanlega geta varpa ljsi einhver mistk hj einstkum ailum, sna ekki fram a loftslagsvsindin sem slk su svik ea a grurhsahrif af mannavldum geti ekki veri stareynd og enn sur a um samsri vsindamanna s gangi. etta eru valin ggn (e. cherry picked) af miklu magni gagna og segja lti sem ekkert um vsindin sem heild, alveg sama hversu htt efasemdar menn hafa um a. g tel a a muni fara fram rannskn v hvort eitthva misjafnt s bak vi einhver or r essum skjlum, hugsanlega arf a skoa einhver ggn aftur (a er ekki vst). En jafnframt v arf a fara fram rannskn v hvaa tilgangi og af hvaa ailum essi jfnaur var gerur. a mun vntanleg koma betur ljs nstunni hvernig stai verur a v. anga til getur flk skemmt sr vi a velta sr uppr vitleysunni sem veltur um netinu varandi etta ml kvenum sum

Sveinn Atli Gunnarsson, 25.11.2009 kl. 21:55

30 Smmynd: gst H Bjarnason

g vona bara innilega a eftir essa uppkomu fari menn a ra saman brerni. Flestallir eru sammla um a loftslagsbreytingar su a hluta af vldum nttrunnar og a hluta af vldum mannanna, og bi vegna losunar CO2 og breyttrar landntingar. Menn greinir aftur mti um hve strir essir ttir eru. Eiginlega er ekkert elilegt vi a, enda veit enginn neitt me vissu essum mlum.

Fyrst og fremst ttu menn a fagna llum rannsknum og mlingum, og san ra niurstur brerni. Menn eiga a fagna umrum og bendingum, jafnvel r su vert vteknar skoanir, v stundum leynist eim kveinn sannleikskjarni sem eitthva getur sprotti af sar. Forast eins og heitan eldinn ll stryri.

Menn ttu a temja sr fagleg vinnubrg eins og va er gert strum fyrirtkjum ar sem m.a ggn, aferir og niurstur eru rnd, og unni er eftir kvenum verkferlum, jafnvel samrmi vi vottu gakerfi. ll ggn og rvinnsluaferir, ar me talin forrit sem notu eru, ttu a vera opin llum sem ska eftir. n nokkurra skilyra.

annig aferafri skilar miklu betri og meiri rangri en endalausar hrtoganir eins og r sem tkast hafa. Vonandi nst a hreinsa andrmslofti nstu mnuum framhaldi af umrunum sem eru gangi vegna CRU, en til ess a svo megi vera urfa allir sem hlut eiga a mli a vera samtaka.

gst H Bjarnason, 26.11.2009 kl. 09:39

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Sitjandi Kastrup me kaldan Carlsberg hnd, tla eg bara a minna hina djphugsuu athugasemd danska heimspekigrnistans Ropert Storm Petersen (http://www.stormp-museet.dk/)

a er vandi a sp, srstaklega um framtina!

Miki er g sammla gsti hr rtugustu athugasemd.

Bjrn Geir Leifsson (IP-tala skr) 26.11.2009 kl. 18:09

32 Smmynd: Sveinn Atli Gunnarsson

Lang flestir loftslagsvsindamenn eru sammla um a hlnun jarar sustu rum og ratugum veri a miklu leiti skr me aukningu grurhsalofttegunda (breytt landnotkun er lka einn af ttunum). a er einnig svo a nttrulegar sveiflur eiga sr sta samhlia. Vsindamenn hafa ekki geta fundi nttrulega tti sem tskra essa hitastigshkkun undanfarina ra og ratuga sannfrandi htt. egar vsindamenn koma fram me ggn sem sna fram a grurhsalofttegundir hafi hrif hitastig, finnst mr persnulega a okkur beri a hlusta me athygli, jafnvel a s einhver vissa me framtina, vissan nr nefnilega bar ttir. Allar helstu rannsknarniurstur, eins og t.d. ggn sem notu eru matsskrslur IPCC eru ritrnd og rannsknir eru almennt gerar mjg faglegan htt. a er alltaf hgt a laga ferlana, en hrtoganir um heildarniurstuna virast, a mnu mati, snast um a tefja mli.

A lokum langar mig a endurtaka a a er ekkert essu mli sem frslan hr a ofan er um, sem snir fram a loftslagsvsindin sem slk su svik ea a grurhsahrif af mannavldum geti ekki veri stareynd og enn sur a um samsri vsindamanna s gangi.

Bjrn, hr eru tvr skemmtilegar tilvitnanir Storm P:

Det er pudsigt, at der med de relativt f ord, som findes i sproget, kan siges s meget sludder.

Den lige vej er den nrmeste - men som oftest nr man den kun ad lange omveje.

a eru skiptar skoanir v hvort a Storm P. sagi essi daulegu or, "Det er svrt at spaa, isr naar det glder Fremtiden", en tilvitnunin er oft tileinku honum, sj t.d. http://perolofdk.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/som-storm-p-siger-eller-gjorde-han/

Mr hefur fundist lklegt a etta su hans or ;)

Sveinn Atli Gunnarsson, 26.11.2009 kl. 19:08

33 Smmynd: Arnr Baldvinsson

Sll gst,

Mr finnst svona afskaplega llegir pstar. Hver segir a a sem hefur veri "birt" af essum stolnu ggnum su _upprunalegu_ ggnin og ekki eitthva sem glpamennirnir sem stlu essu hafa ekki soi saman? Vsindalegur reianleiki essara "gagna" er nkvmlega enginn.

En segjum sem svo a etta s stareynd og a s engin hlnun veurfars. Ok, og hva svo? g bst ar me vi a tlunum Normanna og Rssa um oluleit Norur shafinu veri skoti endanlega frest og ar me eim hugsanlegu olubyrgum sem ar eru detta uppfyrir oluspm fyrir nstu ld. tlanir strstu skipaflaga heims um siglingar um norur leiina eru ar me dottnar uppfyrir lka. v ef a er ekki a hlna er algerlega hugsandi a norurskauts sinn s a brna meira en nsun er.

Hvernig sem etta veltur verum vi orin uppiskroppa me olu um nstu aldamt, jafnvel fyrr. A sgn olusrfringa. Sumir reyndar halda v fram a a s endanlegt magn af olu irum jarar, en sast egar g gi a var jrin ekki endanlega str svo a fellur flatt um sjlft sig, v miur. Kolabyrgir eru taldar geta endst tvr aldir, sumstaar lengur, en erum vi bin me a lka. A sgn srfringa orkugeiranum. En eir eru lka vsindamenn svo a er sjlfsagt ekki hgt a treysta ori sem eir segja

Kveja,

Arnr Baldvinsson, 26.11.2009 kl. 21:32

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